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P.Z. Myers: Americans Who Fund Scientific Research Are an “Ignorant Mob”

Posted by Mats on 06/03/2009

P.Z. Myers at Pharyngula has responded to my open letter to the Society of Integrative and Comparative Biology. In my letter, I strongly criticized the Darwinist organization’s endorsement of censorship and its disrespect for academic freedom. I reminded its members that they have a responsibility to the millions of taxpayers who fund their grants, and part of that responsibility entails a modicum of respect and a willingness to accept an open discussion of evolutionary theory in public schools.

Myers replies:

Now we see exposed the Discovery Institute’s opinion of scientists: they are parasites, suckling at the public teat…and that we should be divorced from civic responsibilities altogether.

Scientists aren’t parasites. Experimental biologists, physicists, astronomers, chemists, and medical researchers are employees of the people who fund them, generally taxpayers. Most scientists do their work with humility and integrity. They understand, at least implicitly, that they have a responsibility to the public that pays their way. Few scientists engage in censorship, restriction of academic freedom, and boycotts. And they don’t consider such anti-science advocacy a ‘civic responsibility;’ they exercise civic responsibility by welcoming and even encouraging questions about their scientific theories. They respectfully engage those who disagree with their scientific viewpoints. They don’t censor and they don’t boycott, because boycotts and censorship are ideological tactics, not scientific discourse.

I reserve the appellation “parasites” for Darwinists, at least those Darwinists who oppose academic freedom and who sneer at most Americans for whom scientific explanations in nature need not be restricted to unintelligent causes. Many Darwinists — at least Darwinian fundamentalists like Myers — are atheist ideologues who despise the religious beliefs of ordinary Americans who pay their way. Darwinist ‘civic responsibility’ consists of denying other people the freedom to act in accordance with their own views of civic responsibility, which include the civic responsibility to establish educational policy for their own children in their own schools.

Darwinists make their living from ordinary people who they ridicule, censor, and boycott. In this respect they’re not scientists at all; they’re ideologues — atheist fundamentalists — who use science and public funding to advance their metaphysics.

Myers writes:

… What Egnor proposes here is nothing less than a naked threat to use the ignorance of the mob to attack science. [emphasis mine]

 

American taxpayers who fund scientific research are not “ignorant” and they’re not a “mob.”

The American public is Dr. Myers’ employer, and for many years it has patiently underwritten the Darwinist ideological crusade. Americans’ patience will run out someday, and they will decide to use their hard-earned tax money to employ ethical scientists who respect academic freedom and who advance real science, not atheist metaphysics.

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5 Responses to “P.Z. Myers: Americans Who Fund Scientific Research Are an “Ignorant Mob””

  1. shamelesslyatheist said

    “The American public is Dr. Myers’ employer, and for many years it has patiently underwritten the Darwinist ideological crusade.”

    You speak with two voices – in one, you advocate ‘academic freedom’. In the next, you demand that scientists (real ones, not the fake ones at the Disco Institute who can only manage to publish in PR releases) do what the public tells them to research. Which is it?

    And Myers is totally correct – the general public is largely ignorant of how science and how funding of research are done. Research programs are subject to rigorous review of both relevance and benefit and, contrary to your myopic view, the scientists who have reviewed and approved funding of submissions have deemed these proposals as being both.

    In real science, not the make believe stuff you push, we do not entertain unsupported notions that are being passed off as theory to an unsuspecting public. We required evidence in support of hypotheses before we accept them as theory. But all the DI can muster is statements which usually begin with “Evolution can not explain…” when a) it invariably does and b) provides not one whit of evidential support for the junk that the DI tries to peddle even if true (and lest I be quoted out of context, it is not true).

    Instead of disingenuously appealing to the public making false accusations of repression and infantile ad hominems against people that make valid points like PZ Myers, try marshaling some positive evidence in support and present it in the scientific arena.

    And good luck with that.

  2. Mats said

    shamelesslyAtheist,

    “The American public is Dr. Myers’ employer, and for many years it has patiently underwritten the Darwinist ideological crusade.”

    You speak with two voices – in one, you advocate ‘academic freedom’. In the next, you demand that scientists (real ones, not the fake ones at the Disco Institute who can only manage to publish in PR releases) do what the public tells them to research. Which is it?

    None of the above. Did you read the article? What Dr Egnor is saying (and he is a real brain surgeon, not a an atheist biologist who spends more time speaking about the “evils of religion” than doing read science) is that darwinists should let the people who pay for their have the freedom to discuss the merits and falls of evolutionism. The unwillingness that atheists have in discussing their religious myth is a disrespectful for the people (the “ignorant mobs”) who pay their salary.
    They are “ignorants”, but they pay for your work. Show some respect. If you don’t like that, then open your own evolutionary schools, and fund them yourselvs. Stop sucking up public money to advance your religion.

    And Myers is totally correct – the general public is largely ignorant of how science and how funding of research are done.

    And that is probably why darwinists should allow academic freedom to discuss the theory of evolution, like real scientists do.

    Instead of disingenuously appealing to the public making false accusations of repression and infantile ad hominems against people that make valid points like PZ Myers, try marshaling some positive evidence in support and present it in the scientific arena.

    But even if “valid points” are brought to the arena, atheists like you and Paul Zachary Myers CENSOR it.
    Do you get the problem now?

  3. bobxxxx said

    Darwinist ideological crusade? It’s called evolutionary biology and it’s just science. Science is not a crusade and it’s not ideological.

  4. bobxxxx said

    Darwinists? They’re called “biologist”, not “darwinists”.

    Darwin = 19th century science. This is the 21st century and scientists have a much better understanding of evolution than Darwin could have ever imagined possible.

  5. bobxxxx said

    I think what evolution deniers don’t understand is that denying evolution is equal to saying the earth is flat. Because they don’t understand how evolution works and because they don’t understand the massive evidence for evolution, they think their explanation for the diversity of life (a magic god fairy did it) should be given equal time in a biology classroom. In other words they want all students to receive the same incompetent education the creationists received.

    Another problem evolution deniers have is they think idiots like Egnor know what they’re talking about. Either Egnor is a professional liar, or he’s even more stupid than I think he is.

    Fortunately, despite protests from ignorant creationists, evolution will continue to be taught as the only valid explanation for the development of all life. If the creationists don’t like that they are welcome to drop dead. Their childish ideas and their total ignorance of science will never be allowed in a science classroom.

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